to generate profits for ever"
by Izak Matatya
and dozens/columns in Roulette"
Like many good things in life, this progression was discovered by pure coincidence. I was reading a book on brain teasers. In one of the puzzles, one had to know what the next number would be in a certain number series. And this was a result of a calculation. When I looked at the final series that was formed, I wondered if this could be used as a progression in gambling. My findings were extremely interesting.
The best illusion of the year 2011 was also discovered by chance. Jordan Suchow had some colorful polka dots, which kept changing colors, until Jordan accidentally dropped his Macintosh laptop, during which the screen rotated and the moving dots appeared as though they were no longer changing colors, although they were.
Read all about it at:
if you're interested. It's quite fascinating.
You know even Fibonacci had nothing to do with gambling. He was a mathematician who came up with the series:
1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987,...
You might ask where this came from? In Fibonacci's day, mathematical competitions and challenges were common. For example, in 1225 Fibonacci took part in a tournament at Pisa ordered by the emperor himself, Frederick II.
It was in just this type of competition that the following problem arose:
Beginning with a single pair of rabbits, if every month each productive pair bears a new pair, which becomes productive when they are 1 month old, how many rabbits will there be after n months?
And there came the famous series we use in gambling, because the next number is the sum of the previous two, meaning that one win will cancel two previous losses. For even bets, on a short term, this can have some advantage. Why short term? Because, as you can see, the numbers are always in increasing mode. Eventually bets escalate when consecutive losses become frequent and one runs out of money or table limits are reached.
A lot of classic progressions have bets increasing from bet to bet, not to mention the famous Martingale, that doubles every bet on a loss, with the aim of 1 unit profit on the very first win that comes.
The problem with all those progressions is that one is in a rush to make profit and thus chases all previous losses in order to overcome them.
Yes, we need to overcome previous losses in order to finally be profitable. But why on the first or second win necessarily? This is exactly what causes those systems not to win on the long term, as casinos have implemented counter-measures and one of the most serious one is table limits. In most table ranges, one runs out of bankroll already at the 7th or 8th step of a Martingale.
What if we had a progression where we can make profits at the 15th or even at the 20th step of it. What if it would take a few wins to achieve that, instead of one or two. We still need to overcome the odds by having overall less wins than losses, as this is the way the games have been designed.
So all this brings us to WTP, a very adjusted or, as the name implies, tempered progression where within a sequence of, say, 25 bets, if about 17 are losses and 8 are wins, which is very likely, we will come up profitable for that run.
The name Well-Tempered is a musical term from the times of Johann Sebastian Bach, where tones were adjusted to have 12 equal half tones within one octave, so music will sound the way we hear it today, so the third chords will be more pleasant to the ear, rather than quarts used in medieval music.
The series in the brain teasers book has also been tempered to adjust it to the world of gambling and the result is a very powerful and effective system.
And it's not a grind system, that aims to make 1 unit profit per run. There are runs, where 14, 18 and even 26 units are made within not more than 20 decisions.
WTP has been tested against all tester books, whether it's the 600 shoe or 1000 shoe Zumma tester book and the Zumma 15,000 roulette spins additional to random number generators.
The system comes with many simulations from all the above mentioned tester books. The maximum bet amounts and the session bankroll to be utilized come as parameters, where you can experiment with different values. You will see that the system will generate 1300 units profit with a maximum bet not exceeding 47 units.
You will see that betting columns in Roulette the system will average more than 1 unit per spin over thousands of decisions.
Using the system a bit more aggressively, such as a highest bet of 192 units, WTP will be able to generate more than 5200 units.
Those are the 9 simulations packaged for you that you will receive together with your system document:
1. WTP - 1K Zumma shoes - first 500 - Betting P only - low budget
2. WTP - 1K Zumma shoes - first 500 - special bet selection - low budget
3. WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - bet selection 2-2 - aggressive - 5200 unit profit
4. WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - betting B only - end profit 1143 units
5. WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - special bet selection - max bet 155 units - end profit 1967 units after commissions
6. WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - special bet selection - max bet 192 units - end profit 2457 units after commissions
7. WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - special bet selection - max bet 192 units - end profit 3346 units after commissions
8. WTP - Roulette - Follow Last Column - 500 spins - 639 units profit
9. WTP - Well Tempered Progression Simulation - betting P only - 900 unit profit target
Here are some performance charts from different tester books to give you an idea:
WTP - 1K Zumma shoes - first 500 - special bet selection - low budget
WTP - Roulette - Follow Last Column - 500 spins - 639 units profit
WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - special bet selection - max bet 155 units -
end profit 1967 units after commissions
WTP - 600 Zumma shoes - bet selection 2-2 - aggressive - 5200 unit profit
WTP - Well Tempered Progression Simulation - betting P only -
900 unit profit target
The system will work for you for a low budget with bets not exceeding 30 units and for a larger one with bets up to 192 units max. It's totally adjusted to your pocket and to the amount of profits you wish to make.
WTP has 24 pages of well documented text and numerous examples. The progression is not hard to learn, if you can memorize a simple formula made easy for you to remember.
Any bet selection of your choice will generate profits. The system also suggests very interesting bet selections you have never seen before in any other system.
The simple bet selections include betting on the Player side only in Baccarat, as well as playing on the Banker side only, and many different combinations involving the betting on both Player and Banker.
There is no need for tracking for WTP, unless your bet selection requires one. Otherwise, you bet on every single decision with no interruption until you reach the desired profit level.
In roulette, the system will work for any even bet area and for dozens and columns, also with different bet selections of your choice.
The system is only $550, a very low price for its very high potential.
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by Izak Matatya
Well, what can I say? WTP - Well Tempered Progression announced 4 days ago is a real success. I'm getting nothing but positive feedback and reviews and I'd like to share them with you in this newsletter.
Here are some directly from the discussion forum:
"Based on the early bird special Izak was offering on WTP and his no-questions-asked refund policy I decided to spend the $90 to get the system. I received my copy promptly and probably didn't spend more than an hour digesting the document that explains how the progression works. As soon as I felt confident in my understanding of the progression, I wanted to test some of my own recorded shoes to see if the results proved promising.
I want to emphasize that I am totally aware that I have not done exhaustive testing on many of my own shoes. Based on the many simulations Izak provides with the system which covers several variations or approaches to applying the system, I felt he did a thorough job of covering his bases. And like the subject of this post states, this is a preliminary analysis.
1. The first 5 shoes I tested were the first shoes I ever recorded at Harrah's casino in Reno, NV. The criteria I used to run the test included the following:
a) My base unit would be $10
b) My session bankroll would be $1000
c) My maximum bet would be 50 units
I came up with this criteria based on the results I saw in the many examples Izak provides in the WTP documentation. Also I used a bet selection based on derived Baccarat Roads which seemed to provide a higher win/loss ratio over the various bet selections Izak used in his examples. I figured this would give me a pretty good chance of getting through my test unscathed if what Izak was claiming was true.
Summary of first 5 Harrah's shoes:
a) Total hands played = 338
b) Hands won = 169, Hands lost = 169, Win rate = 50%
c) Biggest bet = 30 units
d) Highest drawdown = $366
e) Total units won = 231.75 or $2,317.50
f) Average units per shoe = 46.35
Not a bad return on a $1000 session bankroll.
Based on what I was seeing, I decided to go downtown to my favorite casino, the Silver Legacy which is in Reno, NV. I used the same criteria for playing as outlined above. I ended up playing 2 1/2 shoes before I quit and this is what happened:
I decided to quit after the 34th hand of the third shoe which was a win. My total winnings after commissions was $767.00. I stayed around long enough to finish recording the third shoe, tipped the dealer $25 and walked with $742.00. The way I look at it that's a 74.2% return on my $1000 investment in a little over 3 hours time. My bet selection method yielded 77 wins and 78 losses which is a 49.68% win rate. My biggest bet was 30 units and my highest drawdown was $500. Winning 76.7 units in approximately 2 1/2 shoes works out to a shoe win average of 30.68 units per shoe. I know it's not a long term average but I'm slowly developing some confidence in this system which I have never really experienced before with any other system I have used. WTP is looking very much like a truly consistent winning system.
Note: If I had played completely to the end of the 3rd shoe, my total winnings would have been $1,128.00 and my average units per shoe would have been 37.6 units.
I believe that the progression Izak has developed is unique and powerful. Make no mistake, I believe that any "good" system will require a reasonably sized bankroll to succeed. By reasonable for this system, I personally feel that would mean a bankroll between $1500 and $2000. I think to start with only $100 or $200 would be a mistake. Izak can correct me if he feels I am off on this assessment. Gambling is a strange endeavor. I've seen people start with practically nothing and win thousands of dollars. And, on the other side of the coin, I've seen people buy in for $20,000 and lose it all in 30 minutes.
Based on what I've seen so far, I believe that WTP has incredible potential and deserves checking out. It's not a complicated system but I think you'll find the progression itself unlike anything you've seen before. And, one more thing I noticed in the examples Izak provides, if you do abandon runs as you will occasionally do, your overall profitability doesn't suffer as it does in other systems I have seen.
I know this sounds like a TV ad but for the price and the guarantee Izak is willing to give you, you really risk nothing and have the potential to gain immensely. I seriously doubt I will regret making the decision I did."
"My examples represent much fewer shoes than Izak is showing in his simulations. When you take a representative time-slice over a much longer period of time many factors come into play and ups and downs take bigger swings. To answer the 2nd part of your post, the way WTP is set up to succeed, one has to bet every hand. I believe all of Izak's examples start betting from the very first decision out of the shoe and then a bet is placed every hand thereafter. In my case, in the beginning I always sit out a minimum of 4 hands before I start betting. Sometimes I have to wait a few more than 4 because of the way I integrate the Baccarat Roads into my bet selection. But once I start betting, I bet every hand until I decide to end my playing session. Also, I continue from one shoe to the next as if it's one giant shoe. I place a bet on the first hand out of each succeeding shoe as if it was a continuation from the last hand in the preceeding shoe.
I finished testing 10 consecutive shoes from my Harrah's test and here is a summary of the results:
I ended up having to abandon 1 run in shoe 6 which proved to be a tough nut to crack. As a result, my overall profitability suffered slightly and reduced by $991.00 and left me with $1,384.50. It should be obvious that this would reduce my overall average units per shoe.
But by the end of 10 complete shoes, I had recovered my $991.00 loss because of the abandoned run and added substantially to my total. I ended up with $3,235.00 for 10 shoes. And remember, I am using a $10 base unit to start my betting session. So even with the abandoned run, my units per shoe average is 32.35 which is better than anything I ever hoped to achieve. After 10 shoes, my draw down is still at $366.00. The profit I show as $3,235.00 is AFTER deducting Banker commissions of $425.00. I've won 323 hands and lost 344 hands which is a win rate of 48.43%. I still think this high percentage of wins is attributable to my bet selection. Even with a different bet selection and a lower win percentage WTP will still turn respectable profits consistently.
I also went downtown to play live and played 4 shoes. It's Chinese New Year and my favorite casino (Silver Legacy) plays it up big for the benefit of the large Asian contingent of players they attract. They had 4 tables open which is unusual for them. Anyway, here is a breakdown of how I did last night playing 4 shoes:
Base bet - $10
Buy in - $1000.00
Total won - $1,098.50 (I tipped the dealer $50 out of that)
Highest draw down - $39.50 (This really impressed me)
Hands won - 115
Hands lost - 114 (Win rate 50.22%)
Commission paid - $91.50
Total runs completed - 71
Note: I have never done this well in this casino over the last 6-7 years I have played here. I've definitely started to notice that the pit bosses who know me well have started to pay more attention to what I am doing. I use my own specially designed score cards which I created specifically for WTP and I seriously doubt anyone could figure out what I am doing by looking over my shoulder. Even if the casino took a picture of my score card with their "eye in the sky" I don't think they could figure out what I am doing.
Below is a summary of the 71 winning runs. The first column of numbers is the total units won and the second column is the number of hands needed to play to complete the run with a profit.
This averages out to a completed run every 3.21 hands. Also notice that the number of units won when completing a run varies. In this particular series, I actually won 14 units in 1 run. So, keep in mind a completed run does not mean that you are only gaining 1 unit profit (minus commission). And if you look closely at the results above, you should notice that there is a fairly consistent correlation between the number of hands to complete a run and the number of units won. Generally the longer the run, the more units won when the run is completed.
I believe that I have provided considerable information regarding what kind of results I'm getting with WTP. The basic rules for implementing the unique progression devised in this system are really not complicated at all but as with any new concept it takes a little effort and practice to properly understand it and commit it to memory. And because you can use just about any bet selection out there and can change the parameters as far as your max bet and loss limits, there is a lot of flexibility in how you use the knowledge you will gain.
Here are my closing words of advice:
"No matter how well a system has been designed, if it is not learned thoroughly and executed properly, you can almost be guaranteed that you will not win with it and will come to the conclusion that it is worthless."
If you seriously give WTP a try and take it slow, I seriously doubt that most of you will fail to find it rewarding. That's my advice to everyone who is curious about this system. If you're letting the idea of spending $90 make you hesitant to get it then you probably shouldn't be considering gambling as a casual sideline or a serious profession. And before anyone is offended by what I said, I want you to know that I have asked myself the same question many times over the years. I've lost more money than I care to think about and a couple of times I started to tell myself that there is no such thing as a winning system. Many people still tout that as gambling gospel on this and many other forums. I'm just glad that I stuck around long enough to come across this system. I believe that Izak discovered something very worthwhile and is willing to share it at a bargain of a price. Even at $180, it's absolutely worth it.
And, just in case anyone out there thinks that Izak may be rewarding me in any way to say everything I've said regarding WTP, you would be very wrong.
The best of luck to everyone!"
Those are extremely encouraging reviews. I thank the poster for the feedback.
Don't miss out to take advantage of the early bird special, to pay only $90 if you purchase WTP until Thursday, February 9, 2012, which is 50% off the actual price.
As usual, your full satisfaction is guaranteed with full purchase and unconditional money back guarantee within 30 days of your purchase, no strings attached.
by Izak Matatya
Dear Let's Talk Winning subscribers, customers, friends,
"Well, I have the system and have done limited testing. It is the best MM (money management) strategy I have ever seen for use with small units and a table with a large enough spread to accommodate the progression. It is unique and effective.
No bet selection will win more decisions than it loses. So some sort of progression will be needed to produce a winning strategy. And variance will not give win and loss sequences with even distribution. So, you must have a MM that will recover a bad loss string and will stretch long enough with reasonable bets to be in play when the loss string ends, which it eventually will. This MM is very effective in both instances.
I also believe that there is room to make it more conservative if that is the punter's wish, but that would also reduce profit. I highly recommend this system and think it needs to be part of every gambler's arsenal."
"I recently purchased WTP and have played only 2 sessions in 2 days and have won close to $1,800.00 in those 2 sessions. The 1st one was 3 shoes and the 2nd one was 4 shoes. Between those 2 sessions I am averaging over 30 units per shoe. I have never experienced winning rates like that before in my life. And like I said I am using only $10 units. And both times so far, my buy in was 100 units or $1,000.00. "
"With this system to appear to-be very strong indeed; the next one Izak comes out with in the wings if it is an improvement on WTP should be a real casino buster!"
"Bought, learned and did a quick test of WTP at South Point, Las Vegas on mini bac after work. Great results. Played 2 shoes. Base unit was $5, session BR was $500, maximum bet 50 units. Won $236 on the first shoe minus commissions and $281 on the second. Reviewing score cards now and pondering this unique progression. The table I played has $5 min and $2500 min. Stepping out this progression one could theoretically go 62 steps before reaching table limits. "
I thank you all for your great feedback. WTP is the system that received the best response so far. Research and perseverance seem to pay off finally.
The great 50% off promotion will end tomorrow, February 9, 2012, midnight ET. Hurry to acquire this wonderful system at $90 only instead of $180.
I also would like to share with you the answers to some very interesting questions I received during the last 2 weeks:
Q: Congrats on your success...
Simple question... If I buy the system using the $10/unit, the buy-in is still $1000? That is 100 units bankroll. What was your highest units bet since using the system? 50 units? What was the number of losing hands using the system? 14 hands? If I buy the system, is my betting selection and number of units bet exactly the same as yours?
I am so sick and tired of winning and losing using my gut feeling bets... I need a winning consistent systems like you have claimed...
My own personal highest bet has been 47 units. The number of losing hands is not a factor, but some runs are abandoned if the session bankroll of 50 units plus the last bet that exceeds it is exhausted. I had only a couple of those occurrences so far, after which I still kept 80% of all profits made so far.
The bet selection will be different from player to player, as WTP's successful performance does not highly depend on it. There are a few suggested bet selections in WTP, not because one is better than the other, but only to prove that no matter which bet selection you use, WTP will still generate profits.
My own preferred bet selection is KISS, where one follows the streaks, the chops and the 2-2's. This generates 48-52% win rate, which is quite adequate for WTP to be successful on the long run.
I ran an independent test on KISS' bet selection with WTP. It generated 1,394 units after commissions for the 600 Zumma shoes with a max bet of 122 units.
Q: What is the bankroll required to make the 122 unit bet, including the previous drawdown?
A: The bankroll required to use WTP with KISS is 230 units.
Q: How will the system perform with a 40 - 45% win rate?
A: (This question was answered by one of the purchasers)
I was playing around with a new bet selection I'm working on and the 17 hands occurred:
LLLLLWLLLLLWLWLWW - Only 5 wins in 17 hands.
That's only a 29% win rate yet the final double win resulted in a 15 unit win minus $29.00 in commission during the run. So I netted $121.00 in profit in a single run. The shoe I used was on I had recorded live at one of the casinos a few months ago.
So, yes you can still win even with a low win percentage.
Q: Wondering your thoughts if WTP would work on the odds portion of the craps pass-odds bet, or would it work better on just the line bet?
A: It's designed to work on just the line bet. But it can be adjusted for the odds portion as well.
(Again from a customer): I have played it live at craps betting DP only and made 150 dollars.
Q: (This time to a customer): What was your bet strategy on the DP and what was your base bet unit $10?
A: (From the customer): I just bet DP every time because I had a short time to play and wanted to reach 100 dollars. I was at a 5 dollar table.
Q: Izak, in your instructions, you use a 50 unit BR for the explanations, but I don't see any performance charts for such a low BR vs what I do see in the various runs you provide with the system documentation. I would guess that with the bet strategies you use, the 50 unit BR probably does not amount to a gain in any of your simulations? Otherwise, it looks like an interesting betting strategy.
BTW, I did use it yesterday and would comment that it is easy and straightforward enough in concept. Yes, did make 17units in about half shoe of play. Max bet was 5 units and my decision hit rate was quite high.
A: Actually, 2 simulations were provided: one that use a maximum bet of 47 units and another one using a maximum bet of 30 units, where you will find "low budget" within the file names.
(WTP - Well Tempered Progression Simulation - betting P only -
900 unit profit target and WTP - 1K Zumma shoes - first 500 - special bet selection - low budget)
The first one was betting P only for the 600 Zumma shoes set and a win target of 900 units were set and achieved.
The second one was with a special bet selection documented in the system for the 1K Zumma shoes and a win target of 700 units were set and achieved.
Both performance charts have been shown in the newsletter announcing WTP and here they are:
As per long term, after having reached such profit levels one needs to conserve at least 70% of all winnings, as per the win plateau conservation method mentioned in the Bankroll thread.
The parameters that beat the entire Zumma 600 and 1K shoes are for the highest bet set to 192.
Q: Why not walk in there with an $8000 BR and forego the 50 unit stop loss. Won't I be invincible if I'm prepared to take this progression 62 steps, Izak?
Also pondering the bet selection. Going to try an antiphase instead of the BS offered in the document just because antiphase is what I normally use.
A: The system proved itself to be more profitable when we put in more bankroll, but why push the limits? If it's doing fine with a 192 unit max bet, which is step 40, I would not go into further steps.
We have seen in a previous post that once you reach this bet level, it's best to keep it flat until the run is over with profit.
As per AntiPhase, it fishes for one win out of 5, that's why it uses a 5 step Martingale. Better use a bet selection that could have up to 48% win rate, which is really any other one.
Q: How does WTP compare to the Martingale?
A: Comparing the Martingale progression to the WTP, the 50 or rather exactly 47 unit bet is placed in WTP at the 20th step of the progression.
Now let's see how many units we need to place at the 20th step of a Martingale:
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, 32768, 65536, 131072, 262144, 524288
So, one needs to place 524,288 units on the 20th step of the Martingale progression versus 47 units in the Well Tempered Progression.
Thus WTP is much better than Martingale.
Moreover, the Martingale places a 524,288 unit bet in order to gain 1 unit profit when it closes the run.
WTP may place a 47 unit bet at its 20th step to gain between 4-28 units profit.
And most importantly, a Martingale would have reached the maximum table limit at its 8th or 9th step. A WTP doesn't reach the table's maximum not even at the 40th step.
Do you know how many units a Martingale requires at its 40th step? 549,755,813,888 (2 to the power of 39, 39 being 40-1) yes, about 550 billion units in order to make only 1.
Q: So in order to be betting 47 units, one would have lost 20 straight bets ?
If that is correct, a loss of 20 straight bets, I guess it could happen, but probably once in a blue moon, and prior winnings would more than handle that loss.
A: No, that's not correct. In Martingale, one needs straight continuous losses and one win at the end to close the run with 1 unit.
In WTP you can have a combination of wins and losses and at a certain percentage of say 25-35% wins, the run will close with a profit with multiple units gain.
So, WTP is quite different than Martingale in many aspects.
Q: Izak, if you are on a long loosing streak say 10 in a row will 1 win make it positive or does it take several wins? If so how many? Thanks.
A: The only progression that wins 1 unit after 10 consecutive losses on the first win is the Martingale, but that requires a huge bankroll of thousands of units.
WTP will need about 4 wins to complete the run with a profit. The wins do not have to be consecutive.
If the 4 wins do come in a row after the 10 losses in a row, then you will profit not 1 but 22 units for this particular run.
Thank all of you again for your great interest and enthusiasm.
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